Off topic, and sorry for the lame post, but I'd like to hear from my American friends just what the F'er is going on with that other country throwing a fit and you dudes. Do you think it'll come to blows? If so, what do you think the reaction would be from your country? Let me know what you think, please. I would like to know what you think.
This nice lady might be from both Koreas! What THEN!?
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I'm pretty baffled at the level its gotten to. I mean, it kind of reminds me of Fugu's useless super power; "The ability to destroy the earth."
Unless you are trying to extort someone, why would you threaten someone in a way that would almost assuredly bring you future harm? I feel they must be in a very desperate situation, and i imagine there must be some crazy negotiations going on under the table
for them to be this over the top with brinkmanship.
That's just me.
Everyone, here's the hard data of what would happen if Kim decided to nuke Hawaii.
More specifically, it looks like he's targetting Puck's Alley. By the university. I really hate that place too, so maybe I understand where he's is coming from more than I thought?
Any of you see Goodnight and Goodluck? Excellent movie.
And maybe something that could be used as a benchmark for how we used to do, and should do news? What if one of the local news stations actually held themselves accountable and said, "this completely irrational and blown out of proportion, we've got nothing to worry about, and we're going to put ourselves on the line and say that we're not covering this trash anymore. From now on, we're only giving you real news."
And so what if it's editorializing? At least it would be honest, and not spun around to make it sound unbiased and objective just to pander to the public or to sneak in the writer's viewpoint under the radar. True, I don't really read the news much, but I think that maybe all news is editorialized.
You know what is spooky about that link with the maps of a nuke hitting Honolulu County proper?
I only totally agreed with one of the comments made in the thread. Almost every other one scared the shit out of me. Mostly because of the crazy amount of ignorance regarding Asia.
This brings up a WTF factor 12 thing for me.
Dudes and ladies of the US, hey we have this thing called the internet and we use it every day to talk to each other and people around the world. So why the FUCK doesn't EVERYONE know more about Hawaii's role in the US/Asian cultural dialogue? For that matter, why is Hollywood still the place where people go to be movie stars? Why is New York still the capital of the US arts and theater world?
Just throwing that out there.
Sorry, dude, I got caught up in the thread with people making Wargames references and didn't get very far at all in the comments. What was the point people were missing?
In answer to your last question, though, I am reminded of a question I asked myself when I was last in NYC: Why are there so many people here?
Answer: Because there are so many people here.
I think it's a question of critical mass (which is actually important on the internet, too), and centers of whatever don't shift just because of new techniques and technologies.
Of course, the real answer to the NYC question is this: Because it's a good place to park ships. So what do I know?
Hawaii is a great place to park ships. And Hawaii is a nice stop between the US and Asia. So why does the Hawaii art scene not have the same weight as say, New York, London, L.A., or Paris?
HMMM?
I have to agree with Mr. Pony.
I don't know anything about art scenes, but if you look at how money and people influence the world I think what Mr. Pony said makes sense.
Oahu's population is only 900,000 and New York City's is 8 million. New York is a place where people from all over the U.S. flock to see if they can make it. There are more people trying there, so it gets more attention.
Plus there are a lot more fabulously wealthy people in New York ready to throw their money at art than there are in Hawaii.
Finally, it's the evil media. Their influence is waning, but it's still strong.
New York the media capital of the U.S. Wouldn't you agree The New York Times continues to influence the success of plays, art shows, and novelists? Plus virtually all major magazines are headquartered in New York - Time, Vanity Fair, GQ, etc. etc. Rightly or wrongly, writers and editors who live in New York and thus see art in New York, have an outsized influence on the culture of the country.
Hey, outside of all that media Odori's talking about, here's a question: Why SHOULD the Hawaii art scene have the same weight as say, New York, London, L.A., or Paris?
I mean, I can think of some outstanding examples, after all, but that's true of every city, of every nation, from Lake Geneva to the Finland Station.
Meh I knew these facts all along, I just like to complain.
It has always been a question of numbers..
Not to mention Wyland.
Fugu - are you trying to pick a fight with me?
I actually agree all news is editorialized to an extent.
On this North Korea thing, though, my news organization wasn't giving the "missiles headed for Hawaii" story much attention until the Defense Secretary Gates said the military was boosting missile defenses in the islands. (By sending out the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense or THAAD system.)
Still a mystery why they sent out those extra missile defenses. Maybe they were trying to make people feel better. But doing so, they made the missiles a much bigger deal that they otherwise would have been.
The thing is, most people in Hawaii weren't really too worried about Kim Jong Il's missiles, so there wasn't any need for false reassurances here. (I hear folks in Alaska were a little more worked up.)
So it's the Pentagon that led the public to think this the missiles were something to be concerned about.
It's not the media that blew things out of proportion. This time, anyway.
Oh Odori, it's not you specifically. Fugu is argumentative by nature!
Actually, I thought it was pretty obvious I was fishing specifically for Odori's wrath with the whole I don't read the news much but I think it's all editorialized comment!
Maybe I should have added how all news is really just to prove who's got the bigger penis (or boobs) or something.
ALL THE NEWS IS ABOUT PENISES!!!
Fugu-
Oh god, that's what you were saying!! I'm sorry I missed it.
Since news is as dear to me as science fiction is to to you, this is an excellent way to annoy me the way I frustrated you with my cavalier allegation that "science fiction seems very sexist to me. Even though I don't really read or watch much science fiction."
The problem is, I agree with you that news is editorialized! So you're not annoying me!!
From the beginning, when reporters and editors decide what stories to do and which stories not to do, there is editorializing going on. The editorializing continues as reporters decide who to interview, what points of view to focus on and in what order to present stuff.
Good writers will adhere to some key standards, though. I think you'd agree these are good criteria to follow. In deciding what stories to do, you might consider: How many people does this issue affect? Are people dying or getting hurt because of something that's happening? Is there an injustice being done -- or at least solid evidence presented by reasonable people that an injustice is being committed?
I also think it's really easy to spot articles by someone who isn't being fair and who is pursuing a personal agenda or vendetta. Writers of these articles wind up only hurting themselves, as those stories just aren't well done and as a result won't get widely distributed or read. And the reporter will develop a reputation as having an agenda, and no one will talk to this person after a while.
I wonder if it is in fact possible to annoy Odori.
Uhm...getting into this a little late, but I thought the reason why Hawaii isn't big on shipping is 1)we don't have the physical plant for major shipping lines and their utilities, 2)economy makes it cheaper to land on the west coast then ship to hawaii, than vice versa.
and, uhm...3)Thanks for the ah...pic...Litcube. Mahalo!
Good summation, Heeero. Does that answer your question, Litcube?
Yeah. I've learned that what America thinks about North Korea's threats is that -- Hey, is that a butterfly? I think it is. I like that particular one, it's pretty. Anyone wanna go bike riding? We can go up that hil -- OH! Hey! Did anyone see Family Guy last night!? It was an old one, but Stuey was all, pronouncing "H"s in front of words that didn't really need it. It was funny. Helicopter starts with H. Helicopters are totally sweet, and if I was a transformer, I would transform into one. I really want to see that movie. And that other movie coming out this month about the gay guy who's Austrian. Fucking Austrians. Knew an Austrian once who was probably the best sales guy I've ever known. Fuckin' guy. Loved that guy. Anyway.
Actually, this is probably a fairly accurate representation of most Americans' opinion of the North Korean "situation". Still. Pwned.
Actually one last tidbit, don't know how accurate, but I read somewhere that Il is actually ill. He has pancreatic cancer apparently, so maybe this was one last show of force to puff up (in their own minds?) NK's image before he passes power to whoever his successor will be? Just a thought.
Heeero, my thoughts too.
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